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Time for new tires. I've read a couple of articles saying that the profile of the Michelin Power Pure results in much faster turn-in compared with other tires, even with the stock 190/50 size. If I go with the taller 190/55 which a lot of people seem to recommend for this bike, I'm a bit concerned that high speed stability will suffer and the bike will be a bit twitchy in the corners.

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No I have no any problems.I have no problem with it.In fact it is more stable.
It's a lillle faster.
Craig
 

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Go for it. Been running 190/55s since first tire change. ZERO issues...better handling. I've even raised my rear ride height with the adjustable rear shock I have. ZERO problems...it only gets better. :smile
 

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If you re gettin the pures, I would just be careful of a cold tire issue. I ran them for a lil while felt great nice light tire and stciky in summer, but boy I boy I had a slip n fall at a lol speed on a cold one. Just a s side note on the temps bro. Mileage was great while I had them on.
 

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If you ride your 14 like most owners do, you are going to burn up the PPure rear in 2,000 miles. They are a hypersport tire that can be used on trackdays. Do you ride in the rain? I am quite a wuss in the rain. i tend to slow way down. I know it's not really necessary, but I hardly have any wet riding experience. i don't think the pures are that great in the rain. If you are a canyon riding kind of guy, then the pures are for you maybe...


This will be my next tire:
http://www.pirelli.com/tire/us/en/m...sp.html?url=?subtype=track&use=1#.T0RcvvXh98E

Pirelli Supercorsa SP in 200/55/17 & 120/70
This is the true aftermarket version of the OEM tire that comes on the newer Aprilia RSV4 Factory. This size is also standard on the Ducati 1199 Penigale. We all know the aftermarket versions are better tires than the OEM versions.

Most Pirelli guys are familiar with the Supercorsa SC available in SC0, SC1, SC2, and SC3 compounds. These are dot race race tires that happen to be street legal. They take awhile to warm up and they're really only good for a weekend of high heat and sidewall wear track days. Many street guys run them though.

The drawback on the SPs is they aren't that great in the wet. Prob about the same as the pures. I hope I've complicated things for you now. :smile

The Michelin PR3s would be a better tire for the 14 unless you are a real corner burner.
 

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Currently running pilot road 3 and they seem to be good also.
 

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If you re gettin the pures, I would just be careful of a cold tire issue. I ran them for a lil while felt great nice light tire and stciky in summer, but boy I boy I had a slip n fall at a lol speed on a cold one. Just a s side note on the temps bro. Mileage was great while I had them on.
how many miles did the tread last to the wear bar on the rear? I guess my question should have been what did the tread look like at the mileage you last rode them?
 

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Thanks for the feedback. There are so many tire threads and reviews out there and a lot of the information is contradictory. On the Michelin web site, the tire selector gadget recommends the Power Pure for the ZX-14, plus most of the online reviews I've read for this tire have been positive in terms of wear and wet performance. I do ride in cooler weather at times so I appreciate Ezmport's comment about low temp issues, but it can't be any worse than the stock Bridgestone Battlax I've been riding on can it?

I think I will try the 190/55 size as well. With the stock tires, I find that the bike has to be coaxed into turns and it sounds like the taller, less rounded profile helps it turn in quicker. I was concerned that it would be too quick and give me stability issues, but if you guys say it doesn't, that's good enough for me. Next up: flies out, PC 5, slip-ons and heavier fork springs. I better get busy and work some overtime...
 

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Just about any tire is going to be better than the OEM stones. :crackup

I've considered tires like the Pr2s, PR3s, the Roadsmarts and the Angels. I always come back to a full sportbike tire. I've been on Michelins a couple times. I happen to prefer Pirellis. i like the Metzeler Racetecs too which are actually German Pirellis. I was trying to talk you into the Supercorsas so you would test this new tire for us at the 200/55/17 size on the big ninja. Sok, I'll wait. Someone will try them.
 

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I am running Michelin PP's.. The 2CT's... 190/55/17.. Works Great as well
 

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Considering the suspension adjustments you can make, a 10mm difference in tire height and profile shouldn't be anything that could cause an adverse effect that you can't compensate for by adjusting the ride height. You could drop the front tubes in the clamps, or at the outside, get some adjustable-length rear links to bring things back to where they were with the /50 series tire and still take advantage of the steeper profile.
 

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I just switched over to the Pirelli Angles, and Love them so far. First set was a pair of Sportmax Qs, some people love them, but to me they just didnt feel right. My previous bikes all had Pilot Power 2CTs, but thats when I lived in Memphis, and did all back roads on a R1 and R6.
 

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I just switched over to the Pirelli Angles, and Love them so far. First set was a pair of Sportmax Qs, some people love them, but to me they just didnt feel right. My previous bikes all had Pilot Power 2CTs, but thats when I lived in Memphis, and did all back roads on a R1 and R6.
I've been on the 2CTs also. I really liked them when they were new. The handling kind of went away with some mileage. The rear lasted longer than any other full sportbike tire I've run though. You should get decent tread life with the Angels. I'm a Pirelli fanboy now.
 

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Michlelin 2CT's 190/55 in the rear for over a season. I will never go back to the 50. You can feel the 55 turns quicker, almost like cheating. haha.
 

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Ezmport;
I was thing of you whem I was riding the other day.I just changed my oil and had to go out for a ride.It was in the fourties an I was on a nice twisty road with cold tires.There was this little stream of water in a 20MPH hairpin.I was thinking is this water or is this ice.Guess water since I'm typing this.LOL
I have the Pilot roads 2 and I love it.Guess I'll get to the roads 3 when this one is toast.I'm not going out again until it's in the fifties.When I got back from a 20 mile ride the tire wasn't even warm.
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Didn't like the oem's at all. Especially as they wear. They seem to get harder with usage. Maybe something to do with heat cycles cause them to lose elasticity. Hence, "stones", is very appropriate. After basic damping and sag setup, the two adjustments I found to be invaluable are rear rebound damping and front preload for cornering characteristics. If any other adjustment made, one or both of these requires fine tuning. The taller rear (not sure how much a 55 tire is more) will cant everything forward, thus steeper frame angles and will cause a tighter turning radius for the same steering angle input. Sliding the forks in their triples will also affect geometries but it is difficult to stay in the ballpark. You may or may not get it just right by doing one or both of these. But if you don't, you'll need to fiddle till you do. How much depends on how far out when you begin, riding style and personal preference. Because the 14 is fully adjustable at both ends, there is a better chance of getting things very sweet. Or can get it a little messed up. But all very very worthwhile. I like to think of a suspension as on a forward angled wedge. The steeper the wedge, the more the bike wants to fall into the turn. Braking, acceleration, bumps, load, affects the wedge angle. So... Basically if you want more turn, the rear needs to be higher and/or the front needs to be lower. But this also occurs during braking and accel. And bumps and load. Hope I haven't confused or bored or made eyes roll. But if your 14 doesn't ride and handle extremely nicely, it will.
 

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how many miles did the tread last to the wear bar on the rear? I guess my question should have been what did the tread look like at the mileage you last rode them?
this may sound weird, but i don't wear tires like everyone else. i run her alot, but don't do burn outs or anything. i am not a monster in the curves either, but i am not getting left behind either. sounds strange i know, but i got about 5k out of them with having plenty of tread left before i swap them due to my slip and fall. i didn't want them on anymore, but could have easily got 7-8k out of them. don't get me wrong i run her hard redline etc threw the first couple of gears when i can, but tires do me pretty good. i currently have 4k on the pr3 and they look like they will last until 7-8k
 

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Ezmport;
I was thing of you whem I was riding the other day.I just changed my oil and had to go out for a ride.It was in the fourties an I was on a nice twisty road with cold tires.There was this little stream of water in a 20MPH hairpin.I was thinking is this water or is this ice.Guess water since I'm typing this.LOL
I have the Pilot roads 2 and I love it.Guess I'll get to the roads 3 when this one is toast.I'm not going out again until it's in the fifties.When I got back from a 20 mile ride the tire wasn't even warm.
Craig
whats up man? i feel ya, i still ride in the 40's and up, but much more careful when taking a turn leaving, but yeah thank god, this tire seems to be what the others where in the cold, but that PP is no joke in the cold. i just think it has raised my awareness that i should have had earlier, but no spinning or anything, but i try not to take her out unless it is 50 and up.
 

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Hows it goin man?I'm doing fine.It's going to be 54 tomorrow.I'm changing my 43 rear sprocket to the stock 41.Gotta clean my air filter and lube the chain.
Getting her ready for my dynotune.Hope that gives me time for a nice ride.
Craig
 
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