Cheers guys, i have not been enjoying the snow !!!!! Thanks for the info on the swing arm, i have an Abba Stand myself, not sure how this will work as i purchased it before i have even got the bike ! I just really hate marks etc on the swingarm, the bodywork i can cope with (ish) but not the frame or swing arm because they are so difficult to get rid of. I really want the black 636 but these seem to sell for a premium whereas the green is a lot cheaper..... bet Kawasaki are not happy with that !