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*Just a useful heads up to everyone*
Worth reading.

Some of you Kawi sluts might know that there is now a 2K (clear with hardener) urethane clear coat in a spray can on the market.

There are a few diff brands,ranging from $20-$50 a can.
It comes with an activator button that allows you to activate the hardener when ready to clear with a 8-12 hour window for the can life span.
I think this is very cool and very convenient.But with the price of urethane products being expensive,even more when in a convenient spray can,using urethane primer,urethane color coat and urethane clear all in spray cans can get very expensive and ud just be better off getting a compressor and gun and going that route.
So,i got to thinking,what about using a enamel primer and enamel color coat in spray cans,then using the 2K urethane spray can clear over that.Growing up around auto body and considering my self pretty auto body savy,i thought at first this is a no no.So i decided to look further,talking to a bunch of certified auto body guys.50% of them said hell no,other 50% said shouldnt be a prob.

So i even stooped to the level of contacting Dupli-Color.
It bothered me that i needed to know.I talked to 2 Dupli-Color reps,and both said that they have tried their Sherwin Williams 2K automotive clear coat line over their Dupli-Color enamel and lacquer spray paint with great results and no issues.I guess they are acually in the process of making a Dupli-Color 2K urethane clear in a spray can themselves.Just let cure for 24hrs prior to clearing with the 2K clear.Also enamel would be best to use as the primer and color coat because lacquer never really dries and it shrinks like a mother fucker.

Anyways.All the mind fuck and research and talking to pros about this i figured id share what i found out.This is a great way to conveniently paint our bikes without breaking the bank and being able to have a gas resistant paint job with a quality clear that even the rookies can do.
Heres how the 2K clear in the spray can works.http://www.uschem.com/uploads/file/catalogs/SPRAYMAX_2K_Aersosol_Diagram.jpg

Heres a few places that offer the 2K clear in a spray can.

http://www.repaintsupply.com/pd_2_part_2k_aerosol.cfm
http://www.66autocolor.com/GLAMOUR_HIGH_GLOSS_CLEARCOAT_AEROSOL_p/spm-3680061.htm
http://smartrepairproducts.co.uk/www-smartrefinishing-co-uk/prod_1.html
http://www.ketone.com/rm_aeromax_urethane_clearcoat.php
http://www.eastwood.com/spray-max-2k-high-gloss-clearcoat-aerosol.html

Enjoy Kawi sluts,hope this helped some of you and gives alot of you an idea.
 

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Pretty cool, I would love to test it out
 

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Amazing and great information. I've been researching painting my bike and I figured the best route to go would be doing in myself ( to save money) but going the route of a compressor and gun with proper paint.

While the cans can be expensive it still maybe a few hundred dollars short of paying someone to do it. If the results can look pretty close to the pros (considering good prep work is done) then this can save a lot of DIY'er a lot of money with still a good result.

This will help to result in a lot of wild designs.


Thanks for posting this info!
 

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Pretty cool, I would love to test it out
I have all confidence in this working with the people i talk to,and from my own 2 cents when it comes to automotive chemicals.Im thinkin about ordering a can of the spray max 2k clear in a can ($20).And testing it over Dupli-Colors enamel and possibly another enamel brand for shits n giggles.
This is a great way to get a quality paint job conveniently,because at the end of the day,it all comes down to the clear.2K urethane clear makes any color look good.Lacquer or enamel gloss clear coats are glossy,but even when wet sanded,they still dont have that real wet gloss like urethane,not to mention lacquer or enamel clear is no where near the durability of urethane.Iv spray bombed many things in my day with lacquer or enamel clear (few of my dirtbike) and wetsanded to a glass flat finish and still not the shine of urethane.

Using enamel primer and enamel color coat with the 2K clear (all in spray bombs)
Im thinking for $200.Thats pretty damn good for the end result being a quality 2K durable clear finish,not to mention convenient!
 

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Fantastic. Look forward to your result after you conduct your test.

My worry is when these pieces/parts flex how will it hold up. If the 2k has the flex agent to support the flexing of the pieces, what happens to the paint underneath that does not have it?
 

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You may have a point there, M, if the base coat is acrylic. If it's urethane also, it should have enough plastic in it to flex.
 

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Fantastic. Look forward to your result after you conduct your test.

My worry is when these pieces/parts flex how will it hold up. If the 2k has the flex agent to support the flexing of the pieces, what happens to the paint underneath that does not have it?
Well,im almost 100% sure i read that spray max has a flex agent in there 2K clear spray cans.Plus enamel paint itself is softer then lacquer (lacquer gets very dry and brittle once dry) witch is why the enamel primer and color coat would be the best choices prior to the 2K clear,not to mention lacquer never really stops gassing off like enamel does.

When it comes down to it,iv never really been too hard on flex agents.They only help,but i mean even straight out reg spray paint can take alot of give b4 it cracks.When i bought my 7 the PO sprayed painted it flat black,and i had them fairings off and on a million times working on her prior to painting her and torking the shit out of the fairings with no cracking at all.
 

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You may have a point there, M, if the base coat is acrylic. If it's urethane also, it should have enough plastic in it to flex.
The primer and color coat im talking is acrylic enamel.Not urethane.Thats the whole point of this (enamel primer and color,cheap) topped off with quality urethane clear.Convenient affordable spray bomb job with a quality end result.For the sake of flex and just the compatibility of the urethane vs enamel,the urethane vs enamel is a better match then urethane vs lacquer.Lacquer is constantly gassing off so if the urethane was to react with 1 it would be the lacquer.But yet Dupli-Color said they shot their Sherwin Williams line 2K clear over both with great results so if it goes on the lacquer great then it went on the enamel even better.
 

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I see your point. Good Info.

I'm anxious to re-spray, but not up to paying the high prices shops want to charge. I have some extra pieces laying around. I'll probably order a can next week, and give this a go too. Hoping for good results.
 

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Well,the reason for the Dupli-Color is because 2 Dupli reps told me they have tryed it,2K clear over their lacquer or enamel so thats the safest bet,Dupli-Color.Also over the course of my research also seen a bunch of threads of guys that paint custom guitars who paint with enamel/lacquer base coat then clear with 2K so im 99% its safe for what iv dug up.
 

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Can't wait to see the results. Painting mine soon.
Well.The results/testing on my part wont happen anytime soon.Its when i get my next bike,more then likely the paint job i buy it with wont do it for me so ill paint it.Unless i can find a 04-05 black ZX10R with low miles for the right price,if not ill buy whatever color 04-05 ZX10R with low miles for the right price and paint it black.That is when ill order 1 can of the 2K aerosol and test on a few random enamel sprayed pieces.
 

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Getting ready to paint my frame and think I will try it. I was gonna powercoat but just got a quote for over $300.00. Yikes, I'm priming and painting with duplicolor enamel already. I was thinking of using brake caliber paint so it would be a little tougher. Now I will follow with 2K.
 

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Yooo Im using the duplicolor hi temp clear for refinishing my muzzy carbon can..1 layer already made it look like new..gonna sand where there was a couple sags..and do another coat or 2...killer you done the baking process..? to cure it to be chemical resistant..wonder how much heat carbon can take..
 

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I see your point. Good Info.

I'm anxious to re-spray, but not up to paying the high prices shops want to charge. I have some extra pieces laying around. I'll probably order a can next week, and give this a go too. Hoping for good results.
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Order a can of the SPRAY MAX 2K from 1 of the links above ($20) and test it over some Dupli-Color enamel (Make sure you let the enamel dry for 20-24hrs.Im very confident you will have 0 issues.I think depending on how many cans of everything you buy,$200 should do it.3 cans of enamel DC primer,3 cans of enamel DC color,4 cans of SPRAY MAX 2K? Roughly?
 

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Order a can of the SPRAY MAX 2K from 1 of the links above ($20) and test it over some Dupli-Color enamel (Make sure you let the enamel dry for 20-24hrs.Im very confident you will have 0 issues.I think depending on how many cans of everything you buy,$200 should do it.3 cans of enamel DC primer,3 cans of enamel DC color,4 cans of SPRAY MAX 2K? Roughly?
Yea. Going with the first link 17.50. Order a can, pick up some dupli color locally (going with a milky white).

Going to order it Monday.

I figured about the same, I'd want to have a little more clear to give a good gloss. Since I have some test pieces I'm not too worried about the weather, but if all works out, I'll want to time the full job on a hot day so I can have the heat to help cure. It's bout 60*s during the day but down to mid 40s at night.
 

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Getting ready to paint my frame and think I will try it. I was gonna powercoat but just got a quote for over $300.00. Yikes, I'm priming and painting with duplicolor enamel already. I was thinking of using brake caliber paint so it would be a little tougher. Now I will follow with 2K.
That's a good idea. Brake caliper paint should be able to handle high temps. Frames can get pretty hold also in the summer time.

Powder coating would be much more durable than the regular painting but your frame hopefully wont go thru much that would test the integrity of the paint.

Yooo Im using the duplicolor hi temp clear for refinishing my muzzy carbon can..1 layer already made it look like new..gonna sand where there was a couple sags..and do another coat or 2...killer you done the baking process..? to cure it to be chemical resistant..wonder how much heat carbon can take..
Let me know how that turns out.

can your exhaust fit in your oven?!:rofl
 

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Getting ready to paint my frame and think I will try it. I was gonna powercoat but just got a quote for over $300.00. Yikes, I'm priming and painting with duplicolor enamel already. I was thinking of using brake caliber paint so it would be a little tougher. Now I will follow with 2K.
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Obviously for durability powdercoat is the way to go,but 2K urethane clear will be pretty damn durable for a frame.Hell look at factory car paint jobs for example (2K urethane).Last for years.
 
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