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post #2 of 24 (permalink) Unread 11-23-2019, 03:00 PM
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Sad to here, I have loved both zx14 and zx14r.
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All things must pass. The 14R is too much in-house competition for the H2SX, and would take serious re-engineering to comply with upcoming emission standards.

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All things must pass. The 14R is too much in-house competition for the H2SX, and would take serious re-engineering to comply with upcoming emission standards.
Too true unfortunately, but when something is taken, something else fills that vacuum.

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post #5 of 24 (permalink) Unread 11-26-2019, 09:54 AM
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I'll believe it when Kawasaki announces it. The ZZR14 is not the U.S. version. I believe this is what happened with the Busa. Discontinued worldwide, but not the U.S. yet.
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I'll believe it when Kawasaki announces it. The ZZR14 is not the U.S. version. I believe this is what happened with the Busa. Discontinued worldwide, but not the U.S. yet.
Yeap Euro 5 regulations .
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Spoke to my dealership owner today. Kawasaki has not told him anything like that. Hopefully it's a non-U.S. thing.
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Dealers are the last to hear. I don't think they have received official word on the Z H2 yet. But, hopefully it is a Europe thing.
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Once they've halted major production, they'll likely keep screwing bikes together to fill orders from places where the emissions standards can still be met. Depending upon their stash of components and parts, 14R's will continue to trickle out until there's no place to sell them or the orders peter out or they decide not to order any new outsourced parts.

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Dealers are unloading 2018's for sub $14kCDN (Black Friday)
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2020 appears to be the last year in Europe. The official announcement, and countries impacted are at least a year away.
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This guy from MCN, Michael Nieves that did a review on the zx-14 and that other guy that gave a review are bull -shit artists. He says HP was 197 for the 208. Wrong, Motorcyclist Magazine tested it at 167 in the Feb, 2008 issue. He says the riding position was cramped. Wrong that is opposite of what the testors in Motorcyclist Mag. said. Many You-tube videos say it is comfortable. The other testor in the article says the same things. He is wrong too. You can't believe every thing you read. Have either of these guys ever ridden an H-2? Or a liter clas bike? The only bike I have ever ridden that was more comfortable was the Honda cbr1100xx. That was with handlebar risers.
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This guy from MCN, Michael Nieves that did a review on the zx-14 and that other guy that gave a review are bull -shit artists. He says HP was 197 for the 208. Wrong, Motorcyclist Magazine tested it at 167 in the Feb, 2008 issue. He says the riding position was cramped. Wrong that is opposite of what the testors in Motorcyclist Mag. said. Many You-tube videos say it is comfortable. The other testor in the article says the same things. He is wrong too. You can't believe every thing you read. Have either of these guys ever ridden an H-2? Or a liter clas bike? The only bike I have ever ridden that was more comfortable was the Honda cbr1100xx. That was with handlebar risers.
Good news. Thanks for setting us straight!
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The H2 SXE is just as heavy as a 14R, likely as fast. Ergos are yet to be quantified, but the kicker is $; It's more complicated than a 14R and will likely be more expensive to service as well as purchase. For $25K, you could hang a lot of go-faster mods (not to mention comfort mods) on a 14R. Some of the complication may have to do with the emissions, but the blower is another whole assembly to deal with. Despite the small hand space on top of the engine, the 14 is pretty easy to service once you get beyond the fear of removing the cams to set valve clearances. Again, another aspect yet to be quantified on the blower bikes.

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The H2 SX is a little lighter, and a little slower than the 14R (in stock form) but handles much better. You don't have to get the SE+, so it's "only" $22K for the SE like I bought. Flashed the H2 SX is just nuts. Mine is 240hp and 105 lbft to the rear tire with a pipe and a flash.

The supercharger is a bigger risk, but so far at nearly 20K miles on mine I've seen no issues. It's time to service the valves and it's insanely tight under the tank. There will be swearing involved.
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Dealers are the last to hear. I don't think they have received official word on the Z H2 yet. But, hopefully it is a Europe thing.
sales show. large bikes like the 14R have had their day, electric baby bring the electric but with range, till then I will enjoy my 96 ZX11
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Electric? No thanks.
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Electric? No thanks.
No extension cord bikes or cars for me.
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No extension cord bikes or cars for me.
How about an electric bike powered by a self-contained football-sized fusion reactor that NEVER needs refueling?

Electric vehicles are smashing a lot of speed records such as the Fastest Lap of Nurburbring, Pike's Peak and others. Battery tech is starting to improve again after an impasse following the invention of the lithium power cell. All the major automotive and energy companies are working feverishly on the next breakthrough. Major Universities' electrical engineering programs are also contributing.

Range and recharge time are constantly improving. Where is your threshold? 200+ miles range and 10-minute recharge? You'll see that a lot sooner than a bike with a fusion reactor.
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The H2 SX is a little lighter, and a little slower than the 14R (in stock form) but handles much better. You don't have to get the SE+, so it's "only" $22K for the SE like I bought. Flashed the H2 SX is just nuts. Mine is 240hp and 105 lbft to the rear tire with a pipe and a flash.

The supercharger is a bigger risk, but so far at nearly 20K miles on mine I've seen no issues. It's time to service the valves and it's insanely tight under the tank. There will be swearing involved.
According to hoyle. the H2SX wet weight is 573 lbs and the wet weight of a 14R is 593, almost exactly 20 lbs more than the 1st and 2nd-gen ZX 14. Both are speed limited to 185 mph or so and the 14R runs the 1/4 a half-second quicker.

So the H2SX is pretty comparable in weight and speed to the 1st and 2nd-gen ZX-14s.

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