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post #1 of 44 (permalink) Old 12-05-2016, 06:47 PM Thread Starter
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Oil change resulting in VERY POOR engine performance, slipping clutch, stalling, etc.

I recently changed the oil in my 2005 zx636 with Shell Rotella T6 Synthetic 5W40 and it was fine for about 5 miles, then started running very poorly and the clutch was slipping/hardly catching, like crazy. After stalling it 5 or 6 times and barely making it back home. I went out and bought MOBILE 1 10W-40 Advanced and changed it out AGAIN. No success. This is a short test ride after putting in the Mobile 1. It sounds bogged down and you can even hear the internal engine parts oscillating and rotating around (in person). Any thoughts or suggestions are GLADLY ACCEPTED! Please help!


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Neither one of those oils are motorcycle-specific, but I know guys (cheap bastards) who run Rotella T6 with no issues.

Try using a 4T (4-stroke common sump/gearbox) type oil. At the outside, you will probably have to pull the clutch and clean the friction plates thoroughly.

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Sounds like you did something wrong with the oil change.
Too much oil?
Was it mobil 1 r4t

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wrong oils - use semi synth 10w40 motorcycle oils.
You will have to change the clutch plates too.
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Just IMO, I don't like using synthetic oils. In all these years, I don't think I've never used synthetic oil and haven't had issues with any of my bikes.



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Just saw the vid, yeah that sure doesn't sound good.



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Just IMO, I don't like using synthetic oils. In all these years, I don't think I've never used synthetic oil and haven't had issues with any of my bikes.
Full synthetic is all I ever use. Pushing 60K miles and runs like a top.

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Full synthetic is all I ever use. Pushing 60K miles and runs like a top.
Impressed. I've heard that if you've used synthetic from the very beginning then you should just fine but if you've mixed then it causes an issue.



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Oil is oil and syn is not incompatible with dyno. The difference is the syn doesn't burn off and lose viscosity as quickly. Costs twice as much and lasts twice as long.

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I have plenty of car experience and know that when you change something, thats when problems arise. I tried using the same oil that the guy I bought the bike from used. Clearly I messed something up or did SOMETHING wrong. lol
I appreciate your guy's responses! Ill have to do some more learning on pulling the clutch plates and the best way to clean them. Ill drain al the oil again and put even more new stuff in. That mobile 1 stuff is friggin expensive! (yes, the r4t)
Luckily it's been raining for the past week and its supposed to rain for the next MONTH basically so i have some time =P
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Just saw the vid, yeah that sure doesn't sound good.
I think all 6's sound like john deere tractors, mine did

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Curious how much oil you're putting in
Not trying to sound like a dick but are you checking the oil correctly?
Not on the side stand, bike needs to be level when looking in the sight glass

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I made sure it was right in the middle of the sight glass (after the new oil filter was full), i believe it was somewhere around 4 quarts. Yes it was level as well :p
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Another dumb question: what should i use to clean off the clutch plates? kerosene? engine degreaser? lol
I have the clutch all apart and have somewhat wiped things off with a rag but i wanna make sure i get as much of WHATEVER IT WAS out of the internals as i can.
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Car oils have detergents and additives that will fuck your clutch and shit, I only run motorcycle oil and nothing else. Motul or Kawasaki 100% synth 10/40

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Another dumb question: what should i use to clean off the clutch plates? kerosene? engine degreaser? lol
I have the clutch all apart and have somewhat wiped things off with a rag but i wanna make sure i get as much of WHATEVER IT WAS out of the internals as i can.

Brake cleaner spray

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I would just put in new parts if it was me, it's all apart and you then start with a new clutch.

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Thanks guys for all the help! Used brake klean, put everything back together, put NEW, actual motorcycle oil in (again), re-adjusted the clutch cable (somehow was thrown off by quite a bit, hehe)
took it for a spin, and it's SO MUCH BETTER. Lesson learned. Always always always make sure its oil specifically for motos.
Can you believe I actually did a ton of research on what oil to use before i bought that shell stuff?! haha, didn't help me much eh. I guess I missed the detail that it was all supposed to be motorcycle versions of each oil.
Anyway. I appreciate the help!
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Shell rotella t6 IS rated for motorcycles
Been using it for years
so has a gazillion other guys

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