kawi got it right with the 12

[zx996]

you know i've comparing my 00 12 to a lot of other bikes lately and even though it's 9 years old it does'nt feel dated.I had my 05 gixxer 1k and an 05 and 06 zx10,an 03,08 and 09 r1 out and none of then are as comfortable and stable.And if anybody says a stock 1000 will out accelerate a 12 i say they are full of crap.I had out an 05 busa,not even close.I even had out an 06and 07 14. the bikes are pretty close.the 07 does'nt pull as hard but the 06 was really close.About the only thing the 14 does alot better is have a smoother engine.

[LT1MAN]

im pretty sure i would outrun you unless you have a shit ton hp mods.

[zx996]

I did a top gear roll on with my 05 gixxer against an 08 zx10 from 100mph and pulled away and there is no way the gixxer would pull the 12

[Kawi_T]

Rock on brother! Yesterday on I-80 my buddy on his RC-51 wanted to give me go. Honda in the mirror about the disappear!

[k_smittay]

My ZX-12R out accelerates my Tl1000R and CBR900... but that is a given.... Love the ZX. I just think my TLR is better in the curves by far.

[clarkmanning]

Originally Posted by zx996

you know i've comparing my 00 12 to a lot of other bikes lately and even though it's 9 years old it does'nt feel dated.I had my 05 gixxer 1k and an 05 and 06 zx10,an 03,08 and 09 r1 out and none of then are as comfortable and stable.And if anybody says a stock 1000 will out accelerate a 12 i say they are full of crap.I had out an 05 busa,not even close.I even had out an 06and 07 14. the bikes are pretty close.the 07 does'nt pull as hard but the 06 was really close.About the only thing the 14 does alot better is have a smoother engine.

I noticed you didn't say anything about handling. The Busa had the Kawi beat in this area. And current literbikes will run circles around the 12R in the tight twisties. And stop much better. I still wonder what the top speed was for the 2000 model 12R.

i wonder how a 190/55 rear on the 12R would improve the handling?

[zx996]

Yea on a race track or a tight twisty road a liter bike will be faster,they weigh almost 100lbs less.But take roads like we roads like we have here in eastern canada with bumps all over the place that extra weight comes in handy to keep you from bouncing all around like you do on a liter bike.After driving a busa i don't agree with you that it out handles a 12.

[Andy12R]

I've ridden a load of Busa's, i used to work in a shop that tuned them and the 12 is better handling, not by a long way but definitely better in my opinion.

As for the power there's not a lot to choose between standard bikes at all, both are way too fast for 99% of the people that ride them ( i include myself in that!)

As for the current litre bikes, well they're damn fast, handle well (prob better than the 12 most of the time) but i still love my 12 and have no intention of changin it. The main reason is the litre bikes are way too small - I'm 6'2" and 225lbs and they're like a 400 to sit on.

Just my opinion!

[JBearSVT]

Originally Posted by clarkmanning

The Busa had the Kawi beat in this area.

This is the first time you've ever said something that really surprised me, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say the 'busa would out handle anything but a monkey on a skateboard anywhere but a straight line. Most of the folks in the ZX14 board who switched to them from 'busas seem ecstatic at their newfound ability to actually do a little corner carving on a hypersport for a change.

??

[clarkmanning]

Originally Posted by JBearSVT

This is the first time you've ever said something that really surprised me, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say the 'busa would out handle anything but a monkey on a skateboard anywhere but a straight line. Most of the folks in the ZX14 board who switched to them from 'busas seem ecstatic at their newfound ability to actually do a little corner carving on a hypersport for a change.

??

Well, I've never ridden a 12. my comments were based on a few things. Ever heard of the fast bikes boys? They did an extensive road test comparing the 12R and Busa. It was in the year 2000 or 1. There are a few hour long videos of the test.The comparison road test took weeks and went through several European countries. The test involved several thousand miles and all kinds of roads. The blackbird was included in the beginning, but the other 2 bikes just destroyed the Honda. It got dropped everywhere. These 2 remaining very experienced riders swapped bikes a lot. Whoever was on the Busa always had higher corner speed in the tighter twisties and the Kawi got dropped. The busa would just transition better. As far as power went, the busa always pulled out a small lead in the beginning. The kawi would ALWAYS catch the Busa and reel it in on top and pass. Bye bye Busa. I think on the high speed sweepers they were equal. The Kawi brakes were better.

I seem to remember the magazine articles tests at the time comparing the bikes seem to confirm this several thousand mile real world test. i remember comments that that the Kawi had a problem with the front end and just couldn't handle as well as it could or should. Also, this comparison was based on completely stock bikes with no mods whatsoever. you guys know I am a die hard Kawi fan. I just call it like I believe to be true. My opinion is just that....my opinion.

Here's a link to one of the old videos
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...51835443208591

[Andy12R]

I found a comparison page between the Busa and the 12 with some interesting results - have a look below.




ZX-12R Ninja vs GSX-1300R Hayabusa

Magazine Tests

These are some of the magazine tests pitting these two giants of the sportbike world. Both the Kawasaki ZX-12R Ninja and the Suzuki GSX-1300R Hayabusa are incredible machines on par with each other for the most part as the Kings of Speed. Of course, magazine tests are often inconsistant with each other, but this isn't about which bike is better,faster,quicker... it's about overall comparisons and the opinions of the test riders who piloted them. Either way, you can't go wrong with either of these machines.

Hayabusa vs ZX-12R TEST VIDEO!! (52MB)
(Right Click and "Save Target As")

Probably the most exciting test I've seen done, these test riders take both the Kawasaki ZX-12R and the Suzuki Hayabusa to their limits in a head to head top speed race, 1/4 mile drag, and around a road race circuit!! Both riders swap bikes and compare results! Definately a MUST SEE video for any fan of either of these great bikes.

Click on titles for links to scanned articles and the summary.

Sportrider Oct. 2001 "BIG DOGS" / SUMMARY

STOCK (restricted)

Top Speed
ZX-12R - 185.6mph
Hayabusa - 183.9mph

1/4 Mile
ZX-12R - 9.95 @ 144.4mph
Hayabusa - 10.23 @ 140.6mph

Horsepower/Torque
ZX-12R - 159.8rwhp @ 10,250rpm / 91.4ft lbs @ 7,750rpm
Hayabusa- 158.0rwhp @ 9,750rpm / 98.4ft lbs @ 7,000rpm

AFTER MODS (derestricted)

Top Speed
ZX-12R - 193.5mph
Hayabusa - 191.3mph

1/4 Mile
ZX-12R - 9.573 @ 146.75mph
Hayabusa - 9.559 @ 146.75mph

Horsepower/Torque
ZX-12R - 165.7rwhp @ 10,750rpm / 93.3ft lbs @ 7,750rpm
Hayabusa- 163.2rwhp @ 9,750rpm / 100.1ft lbs @ 6,750rpm

SUPERBIKE MAGAZINE / SUMMARY

Top Speed
ZX-12R - 188mph
Hayabusa - 184mph

1/4 Mile
ZX-12R - 10.21 @ 144mph
Hayabusa - 10.05 @ 142mph

MCN March 2005 "NO LIMITS" / SUMMARY

Top Speed
ZX-12R - 185.09mph
Hayabusa - 178.65mph

1/4 Mile
ZX-12R - 10.44 @ 139.36mph
Hayabusa - 10.50 @ 140.42mph

0-60mph
ZX-12R - 2.90
Hayabusa - 2.91

Braking 70-0
ZX-12R - 48.10 meters
Hayabusa - 49.20 meters

FASTBIKES Magazine / SUMMARY

Top Speed
ZX-12R - 183.11mph
Hayabusa - 181.93mph

1/4 Mile
ZX-12R - 11.22 @ 141.35mph
Hayabusa - 11.43 @ 142.95mph

Horsepower/Torque
ZX-12R - 156rwhp @ 10,100rpm / 87ft lbs @ 7,600rpm
Hayabusa- 154rwhp @ 9,500rpm / 94ft lbs @ 7,500rpm

0-60mph
ZX-12R - 3.83
Hayabusa - 4.22

60-120mph
ZX-12R - 4.56
Hayabusa - 3.79

6th gear roll-on 60-140mph
ZX-12R - 12.77
Hayabusa - 13.34

0-150mph
ZX-12R - 12.76
Hayabusa - 11.62

Cycleworld Magazine June 2002 / SUMMARY

Top Speed
ZX-12R - 186mph
Hayabusa - 184mph

1/4 Mile
ZX-12R - 9.93 @ 144.01mph
Hayabusa - 9.89 @ 143.55mph

Horsepower/Torque
ZX-12R - 162.8rwhp @ 9,900rpm / 90.5ft lbs @ 7,500rpm
Hayabusa- 159.2rwhp @ 9,250rpm / 98.2ft lbs @ 6,900rpm

0-60mph
ZX-12R - 2.59
Hayabusa - 2.47

Lasfida Magazine 2005 / SUMMARY

Top Speed
ZX-12R - 188.3mph
Hayabusa - 187.7mph

0-400m
ZX-12R - 10.3 @ 146.08mph
Hayabusa - 10.4 @ 141.36mph

0-1000m
ZX-12R - 18.5 @ 174.8mph
Hayabusa - 19.1 @ 166.7mph

Horsepower/Torque
ZX-12R - 155.8rwhp @ 9,940rpm / 90.3ft lbs @ 7,670rpm
Hayabusa- 151.8rwhp @ 9,490rpm / 95.1ft lbs @ 6,940rpm

T.W.O Magazine Dec. 2002 / SUMMARY

Top Speed
ZX-12R - 186mph
Hayabusa - 186mph

Horsepower/Torque
ZX-12R - 156rwhp @ 10,100rpm / 87ft lbs @ 7,600rpm
Hayabusa- 154rwhp @ 9,500rpm / 94ft lbs @ 7,500rpm

PERFORMANCE BIKES 2005 / SUMMARY

Top Speed
ZX-12R - 187.17mph
Hayabusa - 182.13mph

1/4 Mile
ZX-12R - 10.71 @ 141.03mph
Hayabusa - 10.49 @ 143.46mph

0-100mph
ZX-12R - 5.83
Hayabusa - 5.61

70-0mph
ZX-12R - 48.39 meters
Hayabusa - 51.49 meters

Top Gear 40-120mph
ZX-12R - 13.0
Hayabusa - 11.7

Lap Time/Avg.Speed/Vulcans sections
ZX-12R - 3m03.02s/122.35mph/24.74s

Hayabusa - 3m10.64s/117.46mph/25.92s

FASTBIKES Magazine 2004 / SUMMARY

Top Speed
ZX-12R - 184.54mph
Hayabusa - 181.7mph

0-60mph
ZX-12R - 3.52
Hayabusa - 3.96

1/4 mile
ZX-12R - 11.13 @ 140.14mph
Hayabusa - 11.43 @ 142.95mph

Horsepower/Torque
ZX-12R - 165bhp @ 9,800rpm / (130nm)95.8ft lbs @ 7,800rpm
Hayabusa- 156bhp @ 9,000rpm / (134nm)98.8ft lbs @ 6,800rpm

MOTORRAD Magazine / SUMMARY

Top Speed
ZX-12R - 188.27mph (303km/h)
Hayabusa - 186.41mph (300km/h)

0-100km/h
ZX-12R - 2.6
Hayabusa - 2.6

0-140km/h
ZX-12R - 4.2
Hayabusa - 4.1

0-200km/h
ZX-12R - 7.0
Hayabusa - 7.3

[09ZX14SS]

tell yah what I'll du :



I challenge ANY stock X9, X10, X11, X12 OR ZX14 in Southern California, to "roll-on", or, "off the line, wot, 1st gear to oblivion" tests, with my GIXXER 1000, @ the appropriate agreed upon place, during an appropriate time. X6's and X7's . . . .you can stand by and film the shit.


PM my ass, so we can co-ordinate this, and settle this . . . . at least, temporarily .

*Oh btw- for you new booties(you know who you are): wot= wide open throttle

[JBearSVT]

Wow, nice list Andy. I had no idea the ZX12 was that fast. Kind of makes me wonder why Kawi bothered with a ZX14, what performance it would have gained in cubes it appears to have given up in the extra pork.

[ZX12THUNDER]

Originally Posted by Andy12R

I've ridden a load of Busa's, i used to work in a shop that tuned them and the 12 is better handling, not by a long way but definitely better in my opinion.

As for the power there's not a lot to choose between standard bikes at all, both are way too fast for 99% of the people that ride them ( i include myself in that!)

As for the current litre bikes, well they're damn fast, handle well (prob better than the 12 most of the time) but i still love my 12 and have no intention of changin it. The main reason is the litre bikes are way too small - I'm 6'2" and 225lbs and they're like a 400 to sit on.

Just my opinion!

Andy you have it right here, we are all getting bigger and the bikes are getting smaller its not about speed or power its about suiting the bike you ride, how many Harley riders are over weight :) do they ride them because they cant ride sports bikes ! I recently looked around for a bike that would make me feel right and comfortable, the fact that zx12r has got the power and I feel like the king of the road is a bonus

Dangly once a zzr1200 rider boring !

[olskoolracer]

I just got my 2004 ZX12 and I had no idea it could put dowm those kind of numbers. If they are correct thats very impressive.

[bigshow]

Originally Posted by JBearSVT

This is the first time you've ever said something that really surprised me, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say the 'busa would out handle anything but a monkey on a skateboard anywhere but a straight line. Most of the folks in the ZX14 board who switched to them from 'busas seem ecstatic at their newfound ability to actually do a little corner carving on a hypersport for a change.

??

just look at the stance of the 12 vs the 14 and the busa it says it all i have rode the edge of my tire and it handled great for the size

[kawman14733]

my 12r runs good

[24964]

I had a 2000 ZX12R and loved it. I sold it and then realized I should have kept it. Was very clean and I missed every time I walked into my garage. I shopped to find another one and ended up buying an 02 zx12R. I am happy with although it was certainly not as clean but I am working with it. I am hooked on the ZX12R. I originally had a 1994 ZX9, sold it 2006 and was looking buy another ZX9 when I came across the 12. The ZX12 is an awesome bike.

[Jkcash]

hey andy great post! this is true i ride a 2000 12r and still to this day i have not had a busa take me. i run at the local track all the time and average about 9.4 148mph. check my bike out its on my profile

ZX12R ALL THE WAY

[JBearSVT]

Jk, you need to post up some bigger pics of your 12 here somewhere.
That thing looks pretty badass in the little swatch in your profile!