08 ZX10R Turbo Kit : Kawasaki ZX Forums: Kawasaki Ninja Forum

Bugermass · 09-15-2009, 09:59 PM

I'm a tuner for a performance shop here in houston, we build just about anything you can think of car wise. So I decided to build a turbo kit for my 2008 10R.. I was kinda curious as to if there would be an interest in a production bolt on kit for the 08-09. Right now I'm at the stage where I could build this with the intentions of making a bolt on kit. If theres not much interest then theres a bunch of stuff I can skip ahead of and do differently since it won't need to be a plug and play deal.

Basically the kit so far would consist of:

CompTurbo 30R with .47 A/R T3 backhousing w/3in outlet, with their Triple Ball Bearing center section.

Tial Wastegate and BlowOff Valve

Air to Water intercooler core integrated into the intake plenum.

All stainless 321 manifold with double slip fit tubing. ( We may end up using schedule 40 instead if this doesn't prove reliable. But we wanted to try it with the lighter material first. )

It'll come with an inline fuel pump and all the fittings to upgrade the fuel system.

Modified stock secondary (upper) injectors (The stock Keihn injectors flowed about 215CC, our injector guy was able to get 810CC reliably out of them)

An Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator.

If theres an interest in a production kit, I will use the AEM F/IC 8 for tuning. If not I'll use a haltech platnium 1000 or AEM EMS instead.

We only use the best stuff and do things the RIGHT way at our shop and because of that somtimes were a bit more expensive but you get what you pay for.

The AEM F/IC is a WAY better system for tuning a boosted bike then a power commander.. I know tons of people use power commanders and FMUs for boosted bikes but, thats not the right way to do it. If your gonna use a piggy back to tune your boosted bike, the F/IC is a better option since is can both remap your TPS stuff just like a power commander for off boost areas, but then it has an onboard map sensor you can use as a load reference when in boost. So you will have MUCH better control over the tune. On top of that it has ignition control built in as well. All for about the same price as just the basic power commander. The F/IC 8 has 8 injector channels so it can handle the staged injection setup that the 08-09 bikes run with no problems.

I'm shooting for 250HP on stock motor on pump gas, since the compression is a little on the high side on these bikes its kinda up in the air how much power I'll be able to make before running into the limitations of 93 octane. Also were not to sure how strong the stock rods are, but we will definatly put the motor under serious stresses at whatever our final power level is to make sure its gonna hold up. The bike made 159HP with everything stock as it came from the dealer on our mustang dyno ( we have the bike attachment ;) ) SOOO I think 8-10 PSI should get us to the 250HP range keeping the tune pretty conservative. I've got a pretty good track record of breaking power records on stock motors and having them last, so we'll see how it goes.

Then once I get my spare motor built up, we'll put some race gas in the stocker and see how much it'll take before it breaks ;) .. Then we'll know where the absoulte limit is on the stock bottom end.

Heres some pics of some of our work to see what kind of quality and experience we have with boosted stuff.

http://www.houston-imports.com/forum...=503896&page=2

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/force...ad-07-fa5.html

http://www.youtube.com/user/Bugermass

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWsXy6qYmQA

The work looks better as we got better at takin pics lol..

Well lemme know if theres any questions. If theres an interest and we do make a production kit we'll apply to become sposors on here..

RideOrDie · 09-22-2009, 12:22 PM

im interested but do you have a estimated price range

GRN_MONSTER · 09-22-2009, 01:05 PM

I would be interested in a kit for an 2007-2008 ZX6R! Is that possible!? If so, estimated price range!? Thanks!

ca_la_g · 09-23-2009, 08:07 AM

how much does it run? will it interfere with my fairing? i'm in houston too

Bugermass · 10-21-2009, 09:40 AM

haha, wow, I havn't check back here in a while. We don't have pricing or anything yet. Acutually we havn't really had time to mess with it we've been pretty swamped with customer cars. Well now that I know theres an interest, we'll get back on it pretty quick here and I'll keep you guys posted.

jeremyzxturbo · 10-21-2009, 10:43 PM

Hey just giving you a heads up, I have a 04 zx10r turbo and acouple of thing s too keep in mind . when you turbo the bike get ahold of cometic gaskets and have them make you a "barrel spacer" It's just a thicker head gasket for the head. since all they make are stock head gaskets and they don't relieve the 12.9.1 compression. Plus use studs, take the stock head bolts out i didnt and blew my knew head gasket after 2 years.:)

sazx10r · 10-23-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jeremyzxturbo

Hey just giving you a heads up, I have a 04 zx10r turbo and acouple of thing s too keep in mind . when you turbo the bike get ahold of cometic gaskets and have them make you a "barrel spacer" It's just a thicker head gasket for the head. since all they make are stock head gaskets and they don't relieve the 12.9.1 compression. Plus use studs, take the stock head bolts out i didnt and blew my knew head gasket after 2 years.:)

how much boost did it take to blow that gasket.

Kawi_T · 10-23-2009, 11:12 AM

The head gasket lasted 2 years? I don't think thats really that bad for a turbo engine. Once you put boost on it you know its going to start pushing gaskets out. When I build my turbo engine its going to have an o-ringed head gasket. basically they machine a groove in the top of the block around each cylinder and place a metal ring in there. when you put the head gasket on it (a copper gasket) and tighten the head down, the metal ring bites into the gasket and retains it.

jeremyzxturbo · 10-27-2009, 11:06 PM

It was set at only 7psi but I think screwing around with different gases from mr9 to c16 to sunoco 110 leaded back to pump 91 gas. I didnt know that, thats a great idea. Ya i suppose ur right 2 years isn't bad for a regular gasket but, finding a copper head gasket is impossible i don't know where to look except cometic. Do you know of a place where i could get my hands on one?

Kawi_T · 10-27-2009, 11:24 PM

look up APE Racing.
http://zxzone.com/gaskets.html

Kawi_T · 10-27-2009, 11:29 PM

As far as fuel, I know a few guys who drag race turbo bikes and they run them on C16.

Bugermass · 10-29-2009, 12:39 AM

I'm looking into the effects of running Q16 in a bike motor. We run this fuel in all out race cars. Its basically gonna replace VP Import. The only issues is the fuel severally contaminates the oil and you have to change it after every time out. I wanna be sure what kind of effects it'll have on the clutch..

Thanks for the suggestion on the head gasket, but with the Q16 I shouldn't have any issues with the high compression and boost. I will definatly look into the head studs, but I'll probably wait and see how well the stock bolts hold on the 08 first. I kinda wanna get a feel for whats weak and whats not on the new motor.

jeremyzxturbo · 10-30-2009, 11:35 PM

I definately want to know how it works out...... Best of luck!

Kawi_T · 11-01-2009, 09:46 AM

Just doing some reading on the APE site and found some conflicting info.

First, they offer copper head gaskets and cylinder o-ring service for ZX10's.

Reading thru a section of tuning tips I came across this:

"Do not use a Copper Head Gasket on a watercooled motor. If the cylinder has been o-ringed, the gasket will not seal enough by biting into the wire and the water will leak by causing overheating problems. Use a spring steel headgasket and do not o-ring the cylinder. "

Why do they offer the service and also recommend against it?

When I mentioned that I was going to o-ring my cylinder I was talking about an air cooled KZ1000 project I'm working on. I guess its not a good idea for water cooled engines.