Best Oil Filter

[Oil Doc]

Originally Posted by Waldo

So Oil Doc, Who's filter do you use?

If AMSOIL has a filter for it, I use it. There is not a better filter made. If they don't have one, I will use a WIX.

Originally Posted by perdueSPL

i use K&N because its #1... but whats gay is, the nut works for putting it on but just strips when trying to get it off (and no im not putting it on too tight)....

K&N is far from being #1...

Unless you cannot tighten a filter by hand, a tool should never be used. Either you are putting it on too tight or you are not lubricating the gasket properly.

[185EZ]

Oildoc, I've used wix(amsoil?) in the past for many years. Never a problem. I've also used Fram and KN. Never a problem. Mobil 1 oil, never a problem.
Show me a statistic where oil or the filter caused consistent catastrophic damage to an engine. Show me long term results of using someone else's oil in my zx14 or any other vehicle. You can't. Is synthetic better than conventional? Show me proof after 30 or 50k miles that amsoil or any other brand is better for your engine. You can't. it's all about maintenance and how you drive your vehicle. If you beat and abuse your vehicle, it will fail no matter what you have in it.
I sense an amsoil dealer lurking in the dark

[killroy]

No doubt! They really need to quit dogging their competition. I for one will never buy their prducts just becuase I feel like the are trying to shove their shit down my throat. And the way they post bashing other companies on these forums.... Got old real quick!

[Waldo]

To make sure everyone is understanding Oil Doc point of view, I believe Doc needs to update his title to Vender as in Amsoil vender. You are an Amsoil vender correct?

[185EZ]

Where's Waldo?
I mean, Oil Doc?

[Oil Doc]

Originally Posted by 185EZ

Oildoc, I've used wix(amsoil?) WIX and AMSOIL are not the same filter, but WIX does make the NAPA Gold and they are very good filters....in the past for many years. Never a problem. I've also used Fram ....People have had problems, does not mean it will be everyone,.... and KN. Never a problem. Mobil 1 oil, never a problem. ......Mobile 1 MX 4T is a very good oil, I never said there was anything wrong with it....

Show me a statistic where oil or the filter caused consistent catastrophic damage to an engine. ....I never stated anything about consisten catostrophic damage, you are putting words into my mouth.... Show me long term results of using someone else's oil in my zx14 or any other vehicle. You can't. ....It has been proven many times over, many years ago, that a true synthetic oil contributes to less wear than a petroleum based oil..... Is synthetic better than conventional? Show me proof after 30 or 50k miles that amsoil or any other brand is better for your engine. You can't. .... See above... it's all about maintenance and how you drive your vehicle. If you beat and abuse your vehicle, it will fail no matter what you have in it. .... True, anything will fail but a PAO Synthetic will always outlast and outperform a Petroleum based oil...AMSOIL and Mobil 1 EP prove that time and time again....
I sense an amsoil dealer lurking in the dark

If petroleum oil is so good, why don't they use it in Jets ? Synthetic also comes as a Factory fill in many high performance and European vehicles.

65% of wear caused by dirt, is caused by particles in the 5-25 Micron range. Fram is in the mid 30's to low 40's depending on the filter... AMSOIL is conservatively rated at 15 Micron Absolute and actually performs better than that, and does a Superior job in the 5-15 Micron range.

Some people prefer to run the best, some mediocre and some just plain don't give a crap what they use.

[185EZ]

I was just making statements, not putting words in your mouth. I'm just tired of hearing Amsoil when there are just as good alternatives out there.
You sound like an Amsoil dealer defending himself. If you look on the Amsoil website, they sell Wix. See where I was going?
I still want to see proof that synthetic oil shows less wear than conventional oil. I use it for peace of mind. Has anyone done a test (not on jets) with identical motors with both oils and actually shown less wear with synthetic? I doubt it.
Are you telling me that Amsoil and Wix filters have never had a problem? I doubt it.
And you never denied being an Amsoil dealer so I will stand by my previous post.

[killroy]

I've got 250,000 miles on a 2002 Pontiac Firebird (not a jet engine btw) and the motor still runs like new. Only ever used mobil 1 oil and fram filters.

[185EZ]

I've got a boat with a Mercruiser 500hp that I purchased new 11 years ago. Probably has more miles than a taxi cab. I was religious with the maintenance. Used regular Napa filters and Fram. Conventional 20w50 Valvoline oil and the motor has never been apart.
Not sure why I didn't use synthetic oil but wonder what the motor would be like if I did.

[killroy]

Might catch more fish?



Back to the fish jokes. haha


Oh. I also flushed my motor with kerosene every 9 - 10,000 miles.

[185EZ]

My fishing buddy likes fish jokes.

But she's all serious when she's got that pole in her hand.

[drewzx07]

bout to be an AMSOIL dealer. hit me up

[WIzx7r]

I had a buddy that worked at a carquest when I worked at toyota, one day we cut open all the filters the fram and purilators are cheap cardboard the stp is a metal mesh, I don't know about bike filters but I wont use cardboard in any engine

[TUCK]

K&n

[Oil Doc]

Originally Posted by WIzx7r

I had a buddy that worked at a carquest when I worked at toyota, one day we cut open all the filters the fram and purilators are cheap cardboard the stp is a metal mesh, I don't know about bike filters but I wont use cardboard in any engine

Absolutely.... We have seen Fram filters collapse and cause catostrophic engine failures... You will always have the one that says "I have used XXX for XX years and never had a problem" . Anyone that has half a brain will understand that no one said it happens every time.

Another thing we have seen on Frams, are holes in the Media. One was almost big enough to pass a pencil through, another was about half that size. That is unfiltered oil passing through.

Originally Posted by TUCK

K&n

Many people like the K&N because of the nut on it. Great Gimmick for sales..

The Micron rating is actually quite good on the K&N at 20 Micron, but they seem to fall short in the ability to hold particulate. Most likely caused by the compressed cellulose media they use.

Remember, Oil is the Lifeblood of your engine, the Filter is the Kidney that keeps that Blood Clean.

Doc

[185EZ]

Sorry, Oil doc but I have to disagree with you;

quote; oil doc,
"I never stated anything about consisten catostrophic damage, you are putting words into my mouth.... "
quote by oil doc,
"We have seen Fram filters collapse and cause catostrophic engine failures."

quote by oil doc,
"The K&N Filter has nothing but a name and they are not even made by K&N. They use a compressed cellulose (paper) media, not a Synthetic material."

information provided my K&N website.
K&N uses uniform pleated synthetic media in their powersports filters.

[Oil Doc]

Originally Posted by 185EZ

Sorry, Oil doc but I have to disagree with you;

quote; oil doc,
"I never stated anything about consisten catostrophic damage, you are putting words into my mouth.... "
quote by oil doc,
"We have seen Fram filters collapse and cause catostrophic engine failures."

quote by oil doc,
"The K&N Filter has nothing but a name and they are not even made by K&N. They use a compressed cellulose (paper) media, not a Synthetic material."

Seeing Catostrophic Damage caused by a few filters, does not mean consistently.. It means it has happened...

I know what the web site says and when I talked to a K&N tech about 3 months ago, they said compressed cellolose.. Maybe it has changed... I will definitely check into it...

Of course, when Donaldson and AMSOIL were brought up, "We are not allowed to talk about those"

I have a couple of oil filter demonstrators... I may have to load a K&N on one of them these days... I have one with a Fram on it and it makes peoples jaws drop.. The other has a WIX on it but I don't use it as much because it is not as dramatic..

Doc

[185EZ]

The automotive K&N uses the compressed cellulose. Not sure why they did that. Some people like to use synthetic oil in their cars so why not just make all the filters the same other than $$$ ?
What demonstration do you do with the filters?

[Oil Doc]

Originally Posted by 185EZ

The automotive K&N uses the compressed cellulose. Not sure why they did that. Some people like to use synthetic oil in their cars so why not just make all the filters the same other than $$$ ?
What demonstration do you do with the filters?

That shows how good their Tech Support is... It took them almost 3 hours to get back to me on the Micron Rating as well..

My Demonstrators are pretty simple and are actually used to show the efficiency of my bypass filters..

The side benefit we found out by accident which is how well a filter holds the particulate. The Fram does a poor job and the WIX does a lot better job..Another guy I know did the K&N a couple years ago and said it did a poor job as well.

What we do is after filtering out the carbon black, just take a spoon and tap the side of the filter to simulate road vibration... The Fram dumps a load of the carbon black right back into the oil I just cleaned up with the by-pass.. The WIX hardly anything.

Not scientific by far, but when you can see it with your eyes, who needs a Laser Particle Counter.

Doc

[185EZ]

Many years ago a Slick 50 salesman walked into my shop with a Briggs and Stratton motor and one half of the crankcase had a clear cover so that you can see that there was no oil in it, only treated with Slick 50.
Ran that motor for 5 minutes.
Good enough sales pitch for me.