Fly removal - Page 2 : Kawasaki ZX Forums: Kawasaki Ninja Forum

Girevik · 03-01-2008, 10:42 PM

Hey Matt, finally got mine out today, been rough at work the last week or so. Even with the proper screwdriver, I still had to use the soldering iron to heat the screws, ie loosen the lock-tite, had to use the square tipped needle nose to get the stripped screw out.
Took it for a short spin, felt great, no stumbles, no surges, its been so long since I've ridden it that I can't do a just comparison, but it felt very strong.

Area P, flies out, BMC filter, PC III mapped accordingly by http://fuelmotousa.com/2008_kawasaki...0_concours.htm.

Biedmatt · 03-02-2008, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Girevik

Hey Matt, finally got mine out today, been rough at work the last week or so. Even with the proper screwdriver, I still had to use the soldering iron to heat the screws, ie loosen the lock-tite, had to use the square tipped needle nose to get the stripped screw out.
Took it for a short spin, felt great, no stumbles, no surges, its been so long since I've ridden it that I can't do a just comparison, but it felt very strong.

Area P, flies out, BMC filter, PC III mapped accordingly by http://fuelmotousa.com/2008_kawasaki...0_concours.htm.

Still waiting to try mine. It's been so long since I've ridden I probably won't be able to perform a comparison either. But I know the improvement made is worth it from the dyno charts.

Frans · 04-01-2008, 11:50 PM

I am ordering a PC111 & BMC filter from Jamie, already fitted a Two Brothers slip-on, will remove the flies as well, when fitting the PC, should I remove the 2 cats in the mid pipes?

touchwoodsden · 04-04-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by FBRR

One further thought for those folks NOT IN the States!!! We have a law called the Moss/Magnison act! That act states a manufacturer cannot void a warrenty just because a user added modified parts. The manufacturer MUST prove the modification caused the failure. ( I'm sure this is not the case in the UK!!)

There is no hard/fast rule in UK. We have "fit for purpose" and "merchantable quality."
So even if a mod caused a fault, if the fault was one which would not reasonable be expected to be caused by such a mod, then mama Kwak loses. Of course, that's the theory. Manufacturers got more money to litigate, whether USA, UK or wherever than us average punter.

touchwoodsden · 04-04-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JIS

It also makes you consider the C14s being sold by TAZ (a UK biker dealer); for £1000 / $2000) cheaper than the UK spec.

I bought mine Nov 2007 £9950 OTR full UK spec. Taz £9500 but import with dealer only warranty. No brainer in my opinion. I know that selling is easier with genuine UK bike with full UK manufacturer warranty.
TwD

Biedmatt · 04-06-2008, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Biedmatt

It's been so long since I've ridden I probably won't be able to perform a comparison either.

Well yes I finally can perform a comparison. There is so much more power at the bottom that I am now generally using one gear higher through turns and still get the same drive out I had with a lower gear. This is nice since it makes it easier to get setup for a turn (flashback to Spencer's school: Get all your downshifts finished early so you can setup for the turn). There are no on-off throttle problems and the FuelMoto map is working flawlessly.

Well worth the couple hours and $300 invested.

Frans · 04-06-2008, 03:33 PM

Hi Guys, please help and respond to my question, should I remove the 2 cats in the mid pipe. Did anybody do it and is there any diff?

BlueBomber14 · 04-06-2008, 10:33 PM

Hey Biedmatt what part of town are in? I'm in Kettering,.. Dayton area.

Biedmatt · 04-07-2008, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueBomber14

Hey Biedmatt what part of town are in? I'm in Kettering,.. Dayton area.

About 5 miles southeast of Oxford. Girevik and I have linked up at Waynesville along with Dangerous Dave and his friend Dan for a ride. I'm game.

BlueBomber14 · 04-08-2008, 10:25 PM

Sweet we meet there and run out to Hillsboro,Chillicothe area a few times a year nice twisties and and farm land out there, we also run into Oxford to eat lunch on Sundays from West Carrollton on Sunday mornings just for the ride( and to check out all the Miami U. hotties) let's keep in touch and get everybody on a ride this summer

Girevik · 04-09-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueBomber14

Sweet we meet there and run out to Hillsboro,Chillicothe area a few times a year nice twisties and and farm land out there, we also run into Oxford to eat lunch on Sundays from West Carrollton on Sunday mornings just for the ride( and to check out all the Miami U. hotties) let's keep in touch and get everybody on a ride this summer

I'm in !!!!!!!!!

BlueBomber14 · 04-09-2008, 09:21 PM

Sounds like a hell of a plan!

we'll make it happen.

dhtmbowen · 05-21-2008, 03:27 AM

If its any help, gentlemen; my bike is the 'mule' that Dynojet UK have been using .
Work started in January and the PCIII makes a big difference to:
1. power delivery off a closed throttle especially at low revs - eliminating the snatchiness by continuing to supply fuel on a closed throttle at low revs 1000 - 5000rpm.
2. Mid range and upper ranges are improved by a considerable amount - 10% ish.
3. Top end - bike is more ready to rev out through the last 1000 - 1500 rpm than before.

The problem is, as everyone says the O2 sensors - in order for it to be perfect they need some resistors made which are exactly the right amount of resistance. It is my understanding that this is the current sticking point - the resistors have a very high resistance but it must be precise and consistent.

Boomer · 05-21-2008, 08:01 AM

Thanks DHTM. Keep us up to date on the PC3 for EU bikes. I for one would like to fit one and dig the flies out once the warranty expires. Until then she has enough power for me.

reesedp · 05-21-2008, 10:32 AM

Hey All,
I turned the tank around and propped a piece of 4x4 under it. It held it up securely, so no extra hands or removal was required.

dhtmbowen · 05-22-2008, 01:30 PM

So I used the tank prop technique - works really well.
Butterflies were a bitch to remove: even with exactly the right bit.
Ended up having to drill the last screw out: very tense few minuites.
I used a lot of grease in the trumpet and on the butterfly to catch the swarf.
All cleaned up and proceeded to clean the other trumpets - which were filthy by the way.

Performance change is magical.
I cannot believe that the computer was holding the engine back in 4/5/OD on full throttle. What are Kawasaki playing at?
They build a fantastic motor and then chop its balls off.

Still; PCIII and butterfly removal: an essential mod for all - get the bike you paid for originally!!

JIS · 05-22-2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by dhtmbowen

So I used the tank prop technique - works really well.
Butterflies were a bitch to remove: even with exactly the right bit.
Ended up having to drill the last screw out: very tense few minuites.
I used a lot of grease in the trumpet and on the butterfly to catch the swarf.
All cleaned up and proceeded to clean the other trumpets - which were filthy by the way.

Performance change is magical.
I cannot believe that the computer was holding the engine back in 4/5/OD on full throttle. What are Kawasaki playing at?
They build a fantastic motor and then chop its balls off.

Still; PCIII and butterfly removal: an essential mod for all - get the bike you paid for originally!!

Just to be clear; have you removed the flies without a PCIII? I understood this to be very risky as the bike would run too lean on certain throttle openings?

dhtmbowen · 05-22-2008, 11:56 PM

John

No, my bike is fitted with a PCIII: it is the bike Dynojet UK have been developing their PCIII fitting and maps on.

Based upon the evidence elsewhere on this forum, I figured the bike would be OK just removing the butterflies.

I have not dynoed it or checked the emissions yet but understood from elsewhere on this site that you could remove the butterflies without remapping. Certainly it is my understanding that ZZ-R1400 butterflies have been removed by dealers with no further modification.

Where have you heard that the bike will run lean?

Regards
Dave

Frans · 05-23-2008, 12:13 AM

It is less stressfull to remove the tank, it came off easily, 2 vent pipes, 2 connectors & the feedpipe just clips off. But watch out, I nearly lost my finger, tank slipped and trapped my finger between it and the frame, lots of blood & pain. Also had to drill out the last screw on the fly removal. What a difference, flies are removed, PC111 fitted (supplied & mapped by Fuelmoto), BMC filter and Ti Two bros. Even sounds deeper at idle.

JIS · 05-23-2008, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dhtmbowen

Where have you heard that the bike will run lean?

Dave; on the "other" forum there are a number of threads but a guy named "FastestBusaAround" was (is) clear that running the C14 with flys removed without a PCIII (and its appropriate map) was dangerous as the bike does run lean at certain throttle openings. His advice was just don't even consider it. His view is supported by many others on that forum.

I recently contacted Dynojet about the state of readiness of the PCIII in UK for the C14, he (Martin Winstanley) said "Unfortunately the O2 eliminators are still in development, I will keep your email on record and let you know when something is available."That was only last week.

So, if you're using a PCIII; what map are you using? Not that I know anything about them, but I understood that you needed an appropriate map for the engine concerned; the ZZR1400 perhaps (but that doesn't use VVT does it)?

John