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Old 06-08-2007, 09:13 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Second that last one. I still think I want one, BUT (big but) a bit disapointed in the small fuel capacity.
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Old 06-09-2007, 07:35 PM   #22 (permalink)
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After demo riding the following BMWK1200GT/S, Honda ST1300, FJR1300, Triumph Sprint ST 1050 and the ZX14. I think that with all the changes that have been made to this ST and using the ZX14 platform it will be the best ST on the market. I recieved news today that they have arrived in Montreal ( from the Canada rep) so it won't be long. Iwill let you know as soon as I get my hot little hands on it.

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Old 06-10-2007, 08:39 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Second that last one. I still think I want one, BUT (big but) a bit disapointed in the small fuel capacity.
I've wondered about that as well... why would the top head scratchers shoot themselves in the foot with a smaller tank?....

The only thing that makes sense to me would be a engine with the power and gearing at "legal highway speeds" to make better gpm to keep range hopefully in the 250-300 mile range.

I hope thats the case because where the tank is located I don't know if an aftermarket tank could be fabricated.. Im sure someone will rip one apart and figure out how to get more gas in it... if needed. How much and where will that slightly shorter range affect your riding style? Just wont have time to make the destination that day... had to stop for gas that one extra time... damn.

The real determination for gas stops depends more on your right wrist than tank size anyway.. If a bike is more fun to flog it along than to just sip away at 54mph, and loves blasting out of long sweepers as you roll it on... what are ya gonna do? Conserve your tank?

I hope the mileage is decent when you are at least trying to achieve it with the new GTR1400.. My 2000 Connie with 45K on her is getting all but 50mpg 2up completely stock with a "bafflectomy" on the stock exhaust.

But will I stop an extra time for fuel on that 600mi day? Maybe.. Will I really care the right side of the bike looks like Im a two-wheeled Electrolux salesman? Probably not. The rest of the bikes great features have lulled me into a fever for this bike. I cant wait. I don't feel the bike will have any major short-commings.

See you on the road,

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as a ps...

Daka, my questions on fuel conservation were intended for the forum in general, not you personally. :)

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duh..p.s.s

not Daka, UsualSuspect... sorry
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Old 06-12-2007, 02:39 PM   #26 (permalink)
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JamminJere,
Agreed, If the listed specification for fuel capacity is correct, Fuel consumption will be much more critical. Maybe variable valve timing will perform some magic here. Or maybe I'm just trying to psych myself up for the disapointingly small gas tank.
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I hope it can obtain the mpg.'s your current connie's getting, Jerry. That would ease the small tank situation. I agree the throttle is connected to the gas gauge, and the right corrupts. With that in mind, I don't expect high gas mileage & once on the bike probably won't care anyway. Well, soon we should be able to remedy the high anxiety of waiting and wondering... I hear there is a Dealer meeting this week. I think I want a Black one. Changing the pipe may make it appear less Electrolux
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The Iron butt crowd will need a rather large additional fuelcell.

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Old 06-13-2007, 10:27 PM   #27 (permalink)
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After looking at the US website in the pic's dept it shows that feul consumption is at 45mpg. If that is true it would mean that using US gallons close to 4Litres the bike could travel 397km approx which isn't that bad.

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Old 06-14-2007, 11:26 AM   #28 (permalink)
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"Your mileage may vary"

The problem with any attempt to specify the range, or even the mileage, is that it varies hugely depending on the mix of city/highway mileage, and additionally depends greatly on individual style. In the USA, we have the EPA which has tried for decades to give meaningful numbers for mileage. The goal was only ever to provide a number that consumers could use to compare vehicles, which consumers seemed never to be able to understand, but with the advent of hybrid cars, it became apparent that despite their best efforts, their comparative numbers exaggerated the advantage of hybrid vehicles.

At steady speed, i.e. with highway driving, energy is spent only on overcoming aerodynamic drag and friction. The energy spent on overcoming aerodynamic drag while driving a given distance, is proportional to the square of the velocity. Fuel comsumed per distance covered at 125 kilometers per hour, for example, will be a whopping 56% greater than at 100 kph. If it happens that you are going so fast that the gear you need to use, in order to achieve the power needed to overcome the greater aerodynamic drag at higher vehicle speed, is not the tallest gear available, the fuel consumption will be further reduced by the fact that the number of rotations of the engine over the given distance will be greater. This effect is not a consideration for motorcycles where the maximum speed is achieved in the tallest gear. But for cars and bikes that have a really lazy top gear, anytime that you do not use that gear, or anytime that you are using a lower gear than you could potentially be using, you will of course pay a penality in fuel consumed per distance travelled.

The variable valve timing will likely improve the mileage, but how much is anyone's guess at this point. Fuel injection improves the mileage by not allowing the amount of hydrocarbons entering the chamber to exceed the amount that will chemically react with the amount of oxygen that enters the chamber. Additionally, the standard practice is to run the engine extremely lean whenever there is no demand for power, as indicated by the throttle control being fully closed. With a carburetor, anytime that the throttle is closed to the idle position, the engine operates at the power level that is needed for the engine to idle, which means that the slowing of the engine and the vehicle is not as rapid as it would be if it were possible to cut the power completely. With fuel injection, anytime that the demand for power is not increasing, the mixture ratio can be leaned slightly to the stoichiometrically "correct" point where the emissions are minimized, which is not necessarily ideal from the standpoint of fuel consumption, but is still better, from that standpoint, than the slighter richer mixture that yields greatest power. Whenever the throttle control is closed completely (which does not close the throttle itself completely), as long as the clutch is engaged, the fuel and the power can be cut completely. The inflow of energy that the engine requires to overcome its internal friction will then be drawn from the vehicle, effectively enhancing the engine braking effect. The downside is that it leads to abrupt transitions into and from the fully closed throttle position, which can be especially annoying if the throttle position sensor is adjusted improperly, i.e., if these transitions occur whenever the rider or driver tries to hold the throttle steady at a position that is not quite fully closed.

I expect that the C-14 will get better mileage than the old Concours, when ridden comparably, but just how much better remains to be seen, and no matter how much better it is, it won't come close to making up for the difference in fuel capacity. Personally, I will be content with the fuel capacity, and while I can certainly understand why anyone accustomed to the old Concours would be unhappy with this, I can't help but point out that overall, the number of ways that the new C-14 will be an improvement over the old Concours, is so great that it would be a chore to identify and enumerate them.

The use of the Concours name is a little dubious, because this is a very different bike. It isn't so much a re-interpretation of the old concept, as it is a product targeted specifically at a market that is lucrative at the present time. It is no coincidence that the MSRP announced for the C-14 in the USA, matches the MSRP for the FJR1300A.

At the same time, it could be argued that the original Concours originated the genre that begat the likes of the ST1100, ST1300, FJR1300, and K1200GT. When first introduced, the Concours was a Ninja that was set up for comfort. The ST1100 followed, then eventually the previous implementation by BMW of the GT concept using the older in-line four, and then the FJR and the improved efforts by Honda and BMW. Kawasaki is about to take back that which is rightfully theirs to claim, and they seem determined to do so in way that will make a statement. I kind of dig that, and in the overall scheme of things, having to wait a few months longer than what we were expecting is not such a bad thing. Patience, after all, is one of the supreme virtues.
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